As seen in Salon (h/t John Scalzi), here are some of the assertions of the type that have gotten Jonah Goldberg the nickname the Doughy Pantload:
- fascism = socialism
- nationalism = communitarianism
- national socialist = socialist
- totalitarian = organic
- totalitarian = holistic
- subordination = inclusion
- It Takes a Village = state parenting
- real militarism = metaphorical efforts against crime, poverty, drugs
- regimentation = consensus
- socialism = state-run economics, regardless of who benefits
- nationalized = socialized (Eisenhower must have socialized the National Guard!)
- marxist = fascist (!?)
- liberal = free market
- classless = socialist (So America is - or thinks it is - socialist?)
- populist = liberal (Tell that to George Wallace.)
Then there's this quote:
[T]he only reason [Mussolini] got dubbed a fascist and therefore a right-winger is because he supported World War I.See Scalzi for the definitive smack-down of this ahistorical claptrap. Goldberg is essentially a fascism denier. This is his logic: Those Indians tried to sully our good name by having the nerve to catch smallpox from the blankets we Europeans gave them for that express purpose. Those Guantánamo terrorists are continuing their asymmetrical warfare against all right-thinking Murkins by trying to commit suicide. That Mussolini may have founded fascism and called it a right-wing movement, but he was really just an old lefty.
There is no worthwhile way to engage this sort of incoherent "argument" other than ridicule. Goldberg's rhetoric can't even fig leaf his obvious intent to propagandize. It's intellectually bankrupt in all aspects, a logorrhea-covered exercise in self-service colonoscopy.
Goldberg is using words that are in the dictionary, but he's making up their meanings as he goes along. Even worse, at whim or necessity, he can switch meanings within the confines of a single paragraph.
He says he's not making the argumentum ad hitlerum, but in nearly every paragraph that's exactly what he's doing. X breathed and was bad. Y breathes. Therefore, Y is bad. He is breathtakingly, uneducably, irredeemably stupid. With a big, albeit uncomprehended, vocabulary.
The completeness of his turgid, ridiculous unclarity is visible here to those of us who aren't wearing his bullshit-colored glasses:
You don't have conservative groups talking about what kind of condoms you should use or what positions you can be in.Earth to Jonah! Talked to the Christian right lately? Oral o.k.? Anal? Gay? How's the Pope's tolerance of any use of condoms coming along? Masturbation? Fantasy?
In the end, Goldberg's words about Mussolini apply better to himself:
He was sort of a buffoon in that sense; he was constantly changing his definitions of fascism and talking out of one side of the mouth, then out of the other side of his mouth, largely because of the sort of pragmatic idea he had about politics.I haven't read his book, and I won't. His own words in this interview irrefutably expose him as an ass, unworthy of even an hour wasted reading his prose.
What he wants to say - but which wouldn't get for him all this undeserved attention - is that liberals are not like him. Thanks be to god! Instead of defending that clear and unarguable thesis, he muddles all the meanings he touches.
2 comments:
It couldn't possibly be that he's pointing out that the liberalism of today is in reality progressivism (as many liberals including Clinton admit)and that progressivism has intellectual roots in the fascist movement of the early 20th century; or that the ideals of the progressive movement (using government to force people adopt certain beliefs and live certain ways)are essentially totalitarian.
You're the idiot, you haven't even read the book. You're basing you view off of what was an 18 minute interview, edited down to 6 minutes. And it's clear that even after the heavy editing Jon got his ass kicked. Jonah clearly and concisely explained where the title/cover came from, how The New Republic (THE major liberal progressive publication of the time) actually supported Mussolini, and how classic liberalism (i.e. belief in small government and LIBERTY from the tyranny of such a government) is not what today's liberals believe in. All Jon could muster was, "I don't know what you're saying." Which is clearly not true, only a moron like yourself could miss what Jonah was saying, and Jon is no moron. The fact is he went on the attack assuming Jonah would back down, and when he started backing up his thesis with the large amount of research in the book Jon got stuck because he couldn't concede he was wrong in front of his mostly liberal crowd, but he had no recourse against what Jonah was saying.
So fuck you, and fuck your baseless claims.
Ah, good, a troll with a mancrush on Jonah Goldberg! Keep fucking my "baseless" claims all you want, but they'll never fuck you back, and you'll be left justly frustrated.
Footnotes don't make scholarship, and only dimwit wingnuts such as you are taken in by the obvious crap purveyed by Jonah and his Coulterish ilk. They write their blatantly and undeniably stupid books for people like you who will swallow them whole and feel smugly justified without reason.
You want a look at fascism? Take a look in the Bushist White House for a real marriage of government, corporations, and militarism, as well as a vigorous assault on dissent, transparency, and liberty.
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